<ul>
<li>Thomas Orr Anderson<br />
<a href="https://www.phisonics.com/about-2/" class="uri">https://www.phisonics.com/about-2/</a></li>
<li>Find the audio that I listened to here<br />
<a href="https://www.phisonics.com/podcast-blog-research/" class="uri">https://www.phisonics.com/podcast-blog-research/</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Background sounds provided by some road noise, and a train.</p>
